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SCEPCOP Forum Scientific Committee to Evaluate PseudoSkeptic Criticism of the Paranormal 2012-11-04T11:53:54+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/feed.php?f=8&t=2577 2012-11-04T11:53:54+08:00 2012-11-04T11:53:54+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2577&p=28436#p28436 <![CDATA[Re: How does genuine fortune telling work?]]> Statistics: Posted by SydneyPSIder — 04 Nov 2012, 11:53


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2012-11-01T23:16:28+08:00 2012-11-01T23:16:28+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2577&p=28368#p28368 <![CDATA[Re: How does genuine fortune telling work?]]>
Ok. . . Reaching into the future -- most will refer to it as "checking the Akashic Records" which, by legend, is a kind of "chest" each person has in which all things pertaining to each incarnation can be found. The problem is however, looking into the "future" is a fluid thing. . . the ONLY details that can be given to a person can only be based on PRESENT & EXISTING energies. We can shift the dynamics of what will happen in our future by changing our thinking processes. This is the key reason why so many skeptics see the fulfillment of such "prophetic" phenomena as being "self-fulfilling prophecy" -- we want the psychic to be right and so we churn the energy within out own mind and create the circumstances that make it happen. There's tons of truth to this when we look at metaphysical/Hermetic law and how the mind creates all things into our existence. Take a look at the works of Louise L. Hay (You Can Heal Your Life), the principles found in Science of Mind, the writing of James Allen and going back into antiquity to the teachings of Confucius and Lord Buddha; ALL of these "mystics" shared on this common truth, today it is being hyped as the "Law of Attraction" but it's still one in the same.

Using nothing but pure trickery I can replicate the very same thing you describe . . . at least when it comes to how you perceive things. Truth is, most of what we view as being prophecy is based on hind-sight . . . look at how many of Nostradamus' visions have "come true" AFTER THE FACT! This is because human beings manipulate what he wrote so as to make the prophecy fit given events such as the rise of Hitler, the Kennedy Killings, etc. You'll see the same thing when it comes to biblical passages.

Reading Without Devices . . . again, very common. I don't "need" a deck of cards, rune stones, etc to do a Reading such things are merely guides -- focusing tools. I can rely on my empathy and rapport with the sitter as well as those observations I mentioned earlier. There are ways that I can view the environment and by way of what is actually there that so many never see (they haven't been trained to see such things) I can extend an actual Reading; trust me, there are many signs surrounding us all every second of the day. There are techniques we use that allow us to "see" such things even when in total darkness. BUT, there are very rational explanations tied to these methods and not a bunch of mystical mumbo-jumbo. . . and I don't say that to be mean or to take side with the cynics; my personal challenge in life, as I've pointed out earlier, is to filter out the fantasiful and bring the idea of things Magickle and Mystical into present day understanding by pointing to what certain terms used in previous cycles, actually (most likely) pertain to in our present.

The problem someone like me faces, is the human desire to believe in the fantastic. While it does serve a purpose, it is not "reality".

YES, Real Psychics Exist . . . I've dealt with many, a small handful that are "notable" like John Edward but the majority of the one's I've known who would be considered "legit" aren't glory seeking egos and rarely present themselves as being the kind of person the majority of us envision a "Master Spirit" to be, but even legend and mythos tell us about Drunken Masters that relied on wine or other mind altering substances in order to capture the visions they would then translate into the form of a Reading. True "Masters" don't prop themselves up and above others, they SERVE the community . . . check out Frasier's "Chop Wood/Fetch Water" parable and you'll better understand.

Like I said earlier, this is a HUGE area of conversation & study. I come from a long line of sensitives, healers and spiritually oriented teachers as well as horse traders and notable con-men. I have seen both sides of the issue and made study of it for most of my life (well over 30 years). In all that time I've met fewer than two dozen souls that I'd call "Legitimate" Psychics that's how rare such people are. Understand though, there are many people in the world that we will perceive as being Psychic because they are learned and skilled in those areas that allow them to echo such abilities yet, what they do is actually based on the same techniques and principles I've pointed to.

I'm not in the position to sit down and write a massive compendium on this subject in which all of your questions can be answered, I can only encourage you to seek out the answers and to not fear discovery of things that will challenge your perception. Think of it this way, many people have seen David Copperfield "Fly", some even saying he flies out over the audience. . . I've even heard so-called "Mystics" tied to the New Age culture claim that David is able to do this because of his Jewish ancestry and his study of the Kabalah. . . This is all public assumption and perception -- our "need" to believe in the phenomenal. If however, you were backstage you would see what makes it happen or, if you happen to have a spare $60 grand or so, I could introduce you to the man that built it and holds the patten on it and you could own one of your very own . . . if you have a theater to work in, you could fly all over the place every day.

Illusions, though not quite as dramatic as this one, surround us. Our minds transform some of the simplest things into being the greatest of miracles because of this "hunger" we have -- our need to believe that something better exists beyond us. It is however our onus to create that "heaven" on earth by way of our realization and growth on mental, spiritual and conscious planes of existence a.k.a. KNOWLEDGE.

I hope I've not confused you and that you are able to more readily digest things a bit and in so doing, have greater clarity when looking at this person's encounter. ;)

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2012-11-01T09:14:32+08:00 2012-11-01T09:14:32+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2577&p=28352#p28352 <![CDATA[Re: How does genuine fortune telling work?]]>
As I have stated, I have come to conclude that infrmation and consciousness are the same thng.

I am biased by my humanity to consider informaation to be a code. It can exist at rest, in electronic form, in a book, in nucleic acid.

The second example we have, of non-human languages (the gentic codes) indicate the capacity to create information is inherent to chemicals dissolved in H2O under earth like conditions at least.

The fact that the languages of RNA , .mDNA, and cDNA are different shows that meaning itself (at least in this case) is created ultimately arbitrarily, and is not itself inherent in reality.

This implies to me that our means of measurement fundamental shape what we perceive, and therefore implies to me that (within the co-ordinate system at least) the meanings of that system have validity.

For example, within the world of Dungeon and Dragons, magic works.

It seems to me that any code created for the purpose of interpreting patterns, be they patterns in weather, tea leaves, cards, tossed coins, tea leaves, planetss, spilled sheep guts, or economic indices will have at least as much as internal validity, and are at leas as good predictively as investment bankers.

Of course, this does not conflict with my expeiriential conviction that all perception and consciousness is "Illusio". If anything, it strengthens it, and shows that the pun is the fundamental unit of meaning, the accidental conflation f referent and sign. Fiat confusion!

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