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Statistics: Posted by Mintiparu — 11 Jan 2013, 08:02
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I had a client some years ago that got pissed off by my Reading so she stormed out of the office and goes to see another psychic and then a another and then another... ALL OF US (6 IN TOTAL) TOLD HER (more or less) THE SAME EXACT THINGS. Not because of any script or networking but as the result of doing our job USING A SYSTEM and relying on that information properly and translating it properly. It's not "blah, blah, bla, bull shit, bull shit" when you have someone that actually knows the work vs. what magicians and skeptics want to believe or "cherry pick " out of what it is we do. Your two biggest "explanations" being a.) It's all vague innuendo and commonalities; or b.) (when it comes to prophetic factors or generation connections) "self-fulfilling" scenarios; either the client fills in certain blanks during the session or post session. Sometimes those blanks or uncertainties pertain to some kind of future event.
I have always found it humorous the fact that Skeptics poo-poo the idea that "thought creates" and yet it is the very core essence to one of their favorite cop-out lines
I have never stated that there aren't pseudo-psychic operators out there that don't fit the mold you want to placed all psychics into, nor have I denied the fact that a very large number of them exist. Sadly, every fool that's picked up a Tarot deck and studied the book for a couple of months believes themselves a "Psychic" which is far, far, far from the reality and a truth that can be applied to any and all of the physical oracles.
While I have stressed the issue of mental development and awareness, education and discipline are also primary keys to what I've stated and without a clear line of thought, being "grounded" (focused) it is nearly impossible to discern the symbolism being "revealed" to you, which is the job. It is likewise why the majority of honest SKEPTICS that come into our ranks find themselves in shock, the first time they really do let down all the rationalism and ego-based horse-pucky they've been told to believe... when they finally start to honestly work with the process they get blown out of the water by what happens. Something that's not possible when ego and self-righteousness prevent you from being able to "see", let alone understand the whole translation/discernment factor.
One of the oracles I use is known as the Abukera... one day during a Psychic Fair in Ohio a young lady sat down and we began the Reading... the cards kept referring to a long lost love... something to do with war, military, money, etc. At first it didn't make sense to either of us so I grabbed out another deck (tarot) to cross check myself (a very common action by solid Readers I might add... we'll also look things up in the various books we have on this or that oracle); again, the same issues were showing. Suddenly the woman started crying... seems that her first faience was MIA during Vietnam. The cards suggested that within "3" (the key term) days, weeks or even months she would receive official paperwork from the Department of the Army pertaining to this situation and with it an award for benefits...
A week later she called the producer of the event who put us together; she had received the letter 3 days after the Psychic Fair and was named beneficiary to his life insurance policy. Seems the Army was settling on MIAs more than 30 years missing.
Understand, there was absolutely no way for me to discern this kind of highly accurate information just by looking at her, it was the method that aided me in pulling all the parts of the puzzle together. But too, my willingness to participate in the process and not let my will, ego, bias, etc. to interfere. I can promise you, there's not one of the gents you've mentioned let alone the myriad of other MENTALISTS who likewise do Readings, who haven't similar stories. It simply goes back to you having only part of the information and no willingness to learn perspectives that could threaten that belief... the lie that it's just "ramble, ramble, vague stuff". But then, we tend to only see what we want in some scenario; especially when they threaten preconceived ideas on a topic.
Even by your own words, it's obvious that I'm not a sham operator out to prey on the public. You know that I have a fairly high degree of ethics when it comes to all of this stuff as well as a critical eye. So maybe... just maybe... you can get off your ball busting campaign and accept the fact that I simply know far more about both, the subject at hand as well as the people from within the Magic/Mentalism community and what they do in the field when they do Reading work.
Statistics: Posted by Craig Browning — 26 May 2010, 20:49
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they are just systems to say vague stuff that applies to everyone
thats what webster does, thats what jon does
i am not saying you are using impression pads, i am saying
if you own the ¨james bond system¨ you get away with murder just by associating a person to james bond
and that isnt psychic, thats just rambling
it is just mumbo jumbo
lets say webster does my numerology, jon reads my craneum (oh, yes you know he has a reading on that) and you read my tea.. chances are all 3 readings will be vague enought they will all coincide.. or you 3 get far away stuff and of course somebody will hit... there´s just an amount of things it could happen to a person.. ¨one relative will pass away and you will suffer¨ ¨you change lane of work¨ ¨you will meet an interesting person¨ ¨you will consider upgrading your car¨ ..
why do they all differ?.. because none of those systems are real
they are supposed to be just entertaining, not to be taken as real, and thats how people take them
it is just mumbo jumbo and you know it
are you telling me by reading your own tea you know you will get a call from david copperfield to buy one of your new illusions for 2011?..
give me specifics not just vague stuff
Statistics: Posted by ciscop — 26 May 2010, 08:41
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You start off about my "Rambling on" about "Observation Techniques" and in so doing ignore what I'm trying to clarify... the fact that such things actually are a primary part of what true psychic ability is... even Edgar Cayce points this out in some of his work. You are confusing the fantasy of things psychic just as the New Agers do, allowing the "Hollywood idea" to blind you rather than the facts. Which btw... if observational skills aren't how "Psychic's Do it" why do you cynical types keep insisting that it is?
I will point out another thing...the fact that you obviously haven't a clue as to what you're talking about when it comes to this sort of thing; especially doing Readings and the whole "ramble, ramble, ramble" and using this line and that line to generate possible hits, etc. That's miles away from what actually is done and yes, it does matter not only what system(s) you incorporate but the fact that you actually KNOW THEM... John St. Germain knows Palmistry exceptionally well, where Webster is a Numerology Master. We aren't using little slips of paper for people to write on or some overpriced clip-board (though we might own such things and know how to use them) when we are doing "the work"... there's a huge difference between what we do as ENTERTAINERS vs. what we do when we are working a shut-eye event. On top of these fact I'd suggest you go back and re-read what Tony Corinda has to say about doing Private Readings and maybe take into consideration Bob Cassidy's dissertation on Cold Reading... you need to also consider who you are arguing with when it comes to this topic; I've written several books on this topic and own most of those I didn't write so I do know the in's & outs from both points of view.
Your view and your turning "off" your mind when I start explaining the viable and actual sides to Psychic work and "Psychic" Development proves that you are like all the other wannabes of the magic world. You have embraced the present day myth that being a magician means you can't believe in anything that don't fit into a particular set of niches and more so, if you can invent a way to replicate a particular phenomena you have "proven" whatever it is to be fraud... a delusion that is just as said and disappointing as watching those New Agers that think themselves to be Angels and sprouting invisible wings, jumping off hillsides in the Arizona dessert
(I'm not kidding... look up the 11:11 Cult).I stop my "rambling" here in that I want to keep the rest of my pearls...
Statistics: Posted by Craig Browning — 25 May 2010, 05:32
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either you are doing something supernatural or you are just using your sherlock holmes skills
and when somebody says he is doing it the supernatural way
i am sorry, he should be ridicule on live tv.. (all right.. maybe not that).
also craig, you can call yourself whatever you want
but like i have said earlier, you talk about mcguill and jon st germain.. both guys that write books about how to FAKE psychic skill.. that isnt psychic, they just fake it, you fake it
you can use whatever system you want. it is just rambling and telling vague stuff, sometimes you have hits, sometimes you miss.. thats it
Statistics: Posted by ciscop — 25 May 2010, 00:48
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Counselors, Clergy, etc. all exploit "Hot" or "Warm" Reading elements (an invented associative inference form the late 70s)... why do you think they ask you to sign an information exchange waver when you come to a new clinic? It's exactly like the "Psychic Mafia" antics but with a legal and authoritative veneer.
Just as some scrupulous folks have destroyed the lives of others under the guise of being a Psychic or Medium there have been thousands of lives destroyed via the "legit" system... that includes those trained in "Grief" counseling who rarely consider or allow the patron to the right to gain closure by way of personal spiritual/religious paths. Though it's subtle, certain therapists allow their analytical bias to become part of a treatment scenario which can do far more harm than an actor taking on the tone of Aunt Sarah's spirit saying good by.
The act of selective finger-pointing is one of my biggest pet-peeves when it comes to the "Skeptics" culture; it's quite comparable to how the fundamentalist zealots of religion treat scripture or historic examples; presenting biased thinking that's based on both, rumor and insinuation tied to a limited number of cases vs. individual considerations... judging a book by its cover or contempt prior to genuine investigation.
Yes, there are people who can intuitively sense things about others. I don't say that lightly or because I have developed such an ability, nor am I saying that I have dead people, angels or the fey whispering in my ear. It's 100% natural, anyone can develop similar skills over time and practice, you will see it in detective work, counseling, sales... any industry in which one deals with the public and you must be able to size up someone or something within a few short minutes. This is why you have those cases in which a cop or doctor don't accept the evidence being presented... they KNOW something else is afoot though they can't pin point it initially. Ironically such things are referred to as an "Occult" factor... a "hidden" something or other which Intuition and Instinct can fall into... we really don't understand them.
Channeling/Mediumship is NOT the same thing as what I'm speaking of above though circumstance has conveniently tied the two together (and mostly from the Psychic/Spiritual community itself -- ego seeking to stack on a truck load of "credentials"). I've had dozens of Readings from people who claim to have this ability, including a few that are heralded as being exceptionally good. I can honestly say that of said encounters I've only found two or three that were anywhere near accurate with things and what I would call "sincere". Most of them are the worse Readers on the planet and how they manage to suck people into their world is beyond explanation.
I have had two situations that I tie to this sort of scenario; situations in which I felt that someone or something else was influencing me and my thoughts. I'll state up front that it was a strange in "uncomfortable" sensation but the information that I shared with both client groups was 100% on the mark and frankly, I don't know where it came from. I wasn't using cards or anything outside of what I felt, smelled and heard... I can't explain it beyond that in that it defies intellect... it doesn't fit into any of the niches I'm familiar with and I'm not exactly "ignorant" when it comes to this stuff.
CONSUMER PROTECTION is something I support 110%. I do FREE talks that do exactly this and focus on teaching the public what to be aware of and what to do when they start noticing certain patterns with whomever (charlatans wear many different masks). When our efforts step outside that picture and start blasting people's beliefs as a whole, insulting those who have any form of faith in any thing outside science and intellect... this is when the message gets distorted and hurtful. We are imposing our ideology onto others vs. allowing them to make their own decisions. This is where we come back to what Psych Profs should be presenting to their students...
Sure, let them know about the Forer experiments the Barnum effect, etc. but show them where it is used in daily life in situations OTHER THAN the Psychic world. Be fair and more "complete" when it comes to presenting this package of facts, including the fact that most of the "science" tied to Profiling methods, counseling, modeling, etc. COMES DIRECTLY FROM the practice of psychics, gypsies, etc. Early studied and well into the mid-20th century (*if not to date) have always looked at symbolism, cultural influence, age factors, etc. which Psychics have known and understood for generations... at least in the case of those properly trained, which brings us to an important point... the fact that modern society doesn't allow room for this type of "training" let alone acknowledgment to the fact that certain "mystical rites of passage" were observed for some very logical reasons.
As I've said before, I believe that most of what we call "Psychic" hosts some very mundane explanations that are spot on to what skeptics promote and the "Masters" of yesteryear mysticism knew; terms and perspective have however, become blurred. Much of this blurring has happened for two primary reasons; the layman that hosts the fantasy of being "special" and thus, falls into the delusion of being "Psychic" and too, the loss of the more formal modes of traditional development and education (the Mystery Schools of the past) that lends to such abilities a more honest sense of perspective as well as application... interestingly enough, it's quite close to what skeptics believe but are too blind to see at times... which is one of the reasons I call myself a PSYCHIC... it allows me to teach people on both sides of the invisible fence.
Statistics: Posted by Craig Browning — 23 May 2010, 22:57
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