WOW, I don't know what triggered this particular back & forth but I will say that both parties support part of the blame as well as founded view.
Arouet, as I've mentioned in another thread, you do come off with a "high & mighty" position at times. It is a trait that is very common and pronounced even, in the majority of naysayers and one of those things that put "us' on edge. Think of how fun it would be to have to defend your life and your personal "novelty" 24/7. Consider how much joy exists in a person's life when they are being damned to hell by the holy rollers and promoted as con-artists and criminals by the so-called intellectuals of society.
Craig is correct in his comment about looking for a reason to believe, this is how the skeptics of the 19th and early 20th century (at least in the magic world) approached things even before Houdini's famed campaigns. The goal was to "find god" so to speak, which was also one of the things Einstein used to claim; in fact, most of the great physicist, mathematicians, etc. from the dark ages forward, were men (and a few women) of god -- people with exceptionally strong faith, that sought to better define the Divine and it's greatness by way of science.
As I've mentioned here a few times, many of the more ardent skeptics that actually took to the time to do as I've challenged you and others to do -- to study and actually practice things as outlined in the various books on psychic development, the tarot, etc. -- many of these people found themselves face to face with things they once viewed as bunk and suddenly found belief in and valid reasons for that investment of belief. As this type of transformation started proving common a big shift took place in the skeptic's community and as best I can tell, it was catalyzed by the magic fraternity -- the act of avoidance. . . if you do not invest yourself into the study of it, you will not shift your views. It's kind of like handing a copy of the Koran to a born again Christian and challenging them to learn more about Jesus through it. It's a waste of time because they already have their own opinion and their belief in that view is so WEAK they dare not step outside the boundaries given them by their ministers.
Seems to me a person of devout faith and belief in something would be strong enough to not worry about doubt and a possible change of perspective. We do not however, see this within the auspices of Religion or the world of the Pseudo-Intellectual that enjoys being a bully and puffing themselves up as the superior being when it comes to the whole PSI issue and other such things. Similarly, skeptics (and believers alike) have a knee-jerk reaction almost as soon as the issue surfaces; a attitude that's akin to fencing or taking on a chess opponent that you believe to be less prepared or skilled than you.
I'll not continue with this "observation" in that I believe I've made enough points here. Both sides have ASSUMED certain things in that both sides have certain buttons that are readily pushed and sometimes, in quite deliberate ways, so as to break-down the other until they quit the argument or the other attempts to "dismiss" the opposition under the facade of having lost face.
Arouet, there are patterns -- constants -- common to the skeptic and their "arguments" when it comes to PSI or any number of other topics. It does not matter who it is in the conversation, they always follow this map and use the same "script". . . so much so that you could tape record it once and just let others share the original comment on play-back rather than stating it over and over again. Cynics simply do not want to believe in anything they can't dissect and learn how to exploit for themselves and please don't come back with the "how it can help others" in that we all know how man is only interested in helping himself stand above others and that's exactly how it would be used. For that reason it only makes sense that a very small handful of people gain even a glimmer of understanding of it let alone being able to work it -- the Universe just seems to know better.Statistics: Posted by Craig Browning — 23 Sep 2011, 01:04
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