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2011-09-24T02:21:39+08:00 2011-09-24T02:21:39+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1908&p=22328#p22328 <![CDATA[Re: What Is Skepticism????]]> Statistics: Posted by Arouet — 24 Sep 2011, 02:21


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2011-09-24T01:41:25+08:00 2011-09-24T01:41:25+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1908&p=22326#p22326 <![CDATA[Re: What Is Skepticism????]]> Statistics: Posted by craig weiler — 24 Sep 2011, 01:41


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2011-09-23T21:37:51+08:00 2011-09-23T21:37:51+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1908&p=22323#p22323 <![CDATA[Re: What Is Skepticism????]]>
Craig W has pointed out how "Psychics" can tune in on others which I have to admit, does affect me a good deal at times due to personal circumstance (medical) more than psychic contact -- the easy explanation is that health & related treatments actually make me more susceptible to particular energies and as such, I take affront quicker and go on the defense faster. . . and I can get nasty in doing so because I've had to endure such things for the past 30+ years. . . no one enjoys the position of paddle boy for that long a time and we'd be fools to think such a "victim" won't lash out after taking so much of it. Out only option is to keep our mouths shut and avoid the frey which is the same as conceding defeat, which is not acceptable to me and obviously, a growing number of others who are affected by said rhetoric. Especially those of us that are becoming more and more haunted by the global energy now afoot and the direction things are rapidly heading (and no, we're not talking Aztec or Christian doom & gloom. . . specifically; just a serious age of shaking things up).

As has been shared, being a Skeptic means that I'm willing to look into things from every side of the issue be it politics, family problems or questions of belief. As most of you know I have a deep loathing for any and all forms of organized religion, and for reasons many here have discovered on their own -- deception and a lust for power by duplicitous men leading the way. Yet, I will stand up for any person to believe in a higher power or the power of the omnipotent spaghetti monster. As the saying goes, "that it harm none, do as thou will".

Way too much of today's skepticism brings harm to way too many people and yet, those that perpetuate that harm refuse to accept responsibility for the conflict and anxiety they've created as the result of their own zeal and venom. How is this right?

Anywho. . . I'm off to enjoy my Birthday inside an MRI Tube. . . happy, happy, joy, joy :roll:

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2011-09-23T10:51:35+08:00 2011-09-23T10:51:35+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1908&p=22320#p22320 <![CDATA[Re: What Is Skepticism????]]> Statistics: Posted by Arouet — 23 Sep 2011, 10:51


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2011-09-23T10:23:05+08:00 2011-09-23T10:23:05+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1908&p=22319#p22319 <![CDATA[Re: What Is Skepticism????]]>
But that's ok: 'cause few of us are!

(as for people with psychic ability I am not yet convinced that those abilities exist)

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2011-09-23T09:47:15+08:00 2011-09-23T09:47:15+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1908&p=22318#p22318 <![CDATA[Re: What Is Skepticism????]]> Statistics: Posted by craig weiler — 23 Sep 2011, 09:47


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2011-09-23T08:30:08+08:00 2011-09-23T08:30:08+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1908&p=22317#p22317 <![CDATA[Re: What Is Skepticism????]]> Statistics: Posted by Arouet — 23 Sep 2011, 08:30


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2011-09-23T08:00:23+08:00 2011-09-23T08:00:23+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1908&p=22316#p22316 <![CDATA[Re: What Is Skepticism????]]> Statistics: Posted by craig weiler — 23 Sep 2011, 08:00


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2011-09-23T05:23:27+08:00 2011-09-23T05:23:27+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1908&p=22309#p22309 <![CDATA[Re: What Is Skepticism????]]> Statistics: Posted by Arouet — 23 Sep 2011, 05:23


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2011-09-23T05:10:25+08:00 2011-09-23T05:10:25+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1908&p=22307#p22307 <![CDATA[Re: What Is Skepticism????]]> Statistics: Posted by craig weiler — 23 Sep 2011, 05:10


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2011-09-23T01:04:57+08:00 2011-09-23T01:04:57+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1908&p=22302#p22302 <![CDATA[Re: What Is Skepticism????]]> WOW, I don't know what triggered this particular back & forth but I will say that both parties support part of the blame as well as founded view.

Arouet, as I've mentioned in another thread, you do come off with a "high & mighty" position at times. It is a trait that is very common and pronounced even, in the majority of naysayers and one of those things that put "us' on edge. Think of how fun it would be to have to defend your life and your personal "novelty" 24/7. Consider how much joy exists in a person's life when they are being damned to hell by the holy rollers and promoted as con-artists and criminals by the so-called intellectuals of society.

Craig is correct in his comment about looking for a reason to believe, this is how the skeptics of the 19th and early 20th century (at least in the magic world) approached things even before Houdini's famed campaigns. The goal was to "find god" so to speak, which was also one of the things Einstein used to claim; in fact, most of the great physicist, mathematicians, etc. from the dark ages forward, were men (and a few women) of god -- people with exceptionally strong faith, that sought to better define the Divine and it's greatness by way of science.

As I've mentioned here a few times, many of the more ardent skeptics that actually took to the time to do as I've challenged you and others to do -- to study and actually practice things as outlined in the various books on psychic development, the tarot, etc. -- many of these people found themselves face to face with things they once viewed as bunk and suddenly found belief in and valid reasons for that investment of belief. As this type of transformation started proving common a big shift took place in the skeptic's community and as best I can tell, it was catalyzed by the magic fraternity -- the act of avoidance. . . if you do not invest yourself into the study of it, you will not shift your views. It's kind of like handing a copy of the Koran to a born again Christian and challenging them to learn more about Jesus through it. It's a waste of time because they already have their own opinion and their belief in that view is so WEAK they dare not step outside the boundaries given them by their ministers.

Seems to me a person of devout faith and belief in something would be strong enough to not worry about doubt and a possible change of perspective. We do not however, see this within the auspices of Religion or the world of the Pseudo-Intellectual that enjoys being a bully and puffing themselves up as the superior being when it comes to the whole PSI issue and other such things. Similarly, skeptics (and believers alike) have a knee-jerk reaction almost as soon as the issue surfaces; a attitude that's akin to fencing or taking on a chess opponent that you believe to be less prepared or skilled than you.

I'll not continue with this "observation" in that I believe I've made enough points here. Both sides have ASSUMED certain things in that both sides have certain buttons that are readily pushed and sometimes, in quite deliberate ways, so as to break-down the other until they quit the argument or the other attempts to "dismiss" the opposition under the facade of having lost face.

Arouet, there are patterns -- constants -- common to the skeptic and their "arguments" when it comes to PSI or any number of other topics. It does not matter who it is in the conversation, they always follow this map and use the same "script". . . so much so that you could tape record it once and just let others share the original comment on play-back rather than stating it over and over again. Cynics simply do not want to believe in anything they can't dissect and learn how to exploit for themselves and please don't come back with the "how it can help others" in that we all know how man is only interested in helping himself stand above others and that's exactly how it would be used. For that reason it only makes sense that a very small handful of people gain even a glimmer of understanding of it let alone being able to work it -- the Universe just seems to know better.

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2011-09-23T00:00:38+08:00 2011-09-23T00:00:38+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1908&p=22300#p22300 <![CDATA[Re: What Is Skepticism????]]>
You've come in here read a couple posts and believe you've sized me up. You continuously put words and positions in mine and other people's mouths, misrepresenting what they are actually saying. You don't give the impression that you are really reading what is put forward, but you have an image in your mind of what you think they must mean- because of 'course they are skeptics and must therefore be closed-minded and wrong.

In any event, before accusing me of arrogance, you may want to engage in a bit of self-reflection.

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