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SCEPCOP Forum Scientific Committee to Evaluate PseudoSkeptic Criticism of the Paranormal 2011-08-06T19:11:24+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/feed.php?f=13&t=1601 2011-08-06T19:11:24+08:00 2011-08-06T19:11:24+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=21463#p21463 <![CDATA[Re: Science lover and free thinker]]> Statistics: Posted by enneirda — 06 Aug 2011, 19:11


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2011-06-21T02:40:57+08:00 2011-06-21T02:40:57+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=21004#p21004 <![CDATA[Re: Science lover and free thinker]]> I did this test in college thirty years ago, and discovered, then, that I was introverted (quelle surprise). I don't recall types, or numbers, but then I was very good at thinking and feeling, and oblivious on perception and intuition.
I recall I knew the word intuition and had read the descriptions of the intuitive pysche, and still felt clueless as to what intuition was. I started working on it, and it helped spark my interest in my wife to be, who, as near as I understand them, was the most intuitive person I ever knew.
Gut level and heart felt assessment, ten years after divorce is, THOSE PEOPLE ARE CRAZY!!!
As I understand it, intuitives have some integrative faculty in the mind I sorely lack which seems to make them “believers”. As the entymology of the word says, to intuit is (seem?) “to perceive directly without reasoning”
I grant the process by which they achieve such spontaneous certainty may be invisible to my faculties, but my wife scared me shitless sometimes. She reminds me of George Bush and Adolf Hitler in her somnambulistic certainty, and I suspect pseudo-skeptics may be intuitives of the opposite -version
Am I missing something here, or making too much of something I don't understand?

Took the test online twice today, accidentally skipping a couple of questions the first time. Came up INFP both times, with this breakdown.
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Then their system went down, so I looked at another site, which described the T vs F and P vs J dichotomies. Twenty years ago, the test showed that I was self identified as a judgmental thinker, but …well, I did a lot of thinking about jungian theories, and decided I had my mother's anima, stuck inside my father's imago like an enigma in a riddle.
To cut to the point, I decided to take the results as diagnostic. I looked at the list of behaviors I embraced, and concluded that they did not work. My morning plans looked like daydreams by night fall, and I was disconnected from human contact. So I went to work on lowering my IQ and raising my EQ.
Conclusion....I found Meyers-Briggs useful in pointing out what aspects of my psyche I needed to work on to be a more rounded human being

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2011-01-22T21:49:43+08:00 2011-01-22T21:49:43+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=19313#p19313 <![CDATA[Re: Science lover and free thinker]]> Statistics: Posted by spoirier — 22 Jan 2011, 21:49


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2011-01-22T10:53:27+08:00 2011-01-22T10:53:27+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=19312#p19312 <![CDATA[Re: Science lover and free thinker]]> Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 22 Jan 2011, 10:53


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2011-01-22T04:20:18+08:00 2011-01-22T04:20:18+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=19307#p19307 <![CDATA[Re: theoretical approach of the paranormal]]> Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 22 Jan 2011, 04:20


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2011-01-22T04:06:11+08:00 2011-01-22T04:06:11+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=19305#p19305 <![CDATA[Re: theoretical approach of the paranormal]]> Statistics: Posted by Arouet — 22 Jan 2011, 04:06


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2011-01-22T03:59:54+08:00 2011-01-22T03:59:54+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=19304#p19304 <![CDATA[Re: theoretical approach of the paranormal]]> Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 22 Jan 2011, 03:59


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2011-01-22T03:30:41+08:00 2011-01-22T03:30:41+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=19300#p19300 <![CDATA[Re: theoretical approach of the paranormal]]> Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 22 Jan 2011, 03:30


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2011-01-22T01:43:47+08:00 2011-01-22T01:43:47+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=19298#p19298 <![CDATA[theoretical approach of the paranormal]]> Statistics: Posted by spoirier — 22 Jan 2011, 01:43


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2011-01-22T01:35:22+08:00 2011-01-22T01:35:22+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=19297#p19297 <![CDATA[French skeptics]]>
There is only one research organization on parapsychology in France, (IMI), which is recognized as public interest organization but hardly has any public support, and roughly no recognition of its views by any other organization. (So, thorough debates usually have to refer to the data produced outside France as evidence for psi)

Instead, the views of the skeptics groups ("Zététique") are strongly supported by the academic system and other official scientific organizations.

The founding organization of the whole French skeptical movement (Cercle Zététique) was more and more discredited and finally self-dissolved, as the leading and finally remaining few members were the most sectarian.
Members who left as they were not happy with its methods formed other groups, but inherited its ill-informed claims and its biased methods.
One of them is Laboratoire de Zététique, an official laboratory in the Nice university, directed by the founder of the Cercle (Henri Broch), and officially supported by 2 French Nobel prices, both dead but still put forward as honorary members.

The other, less official but the least sectarian and thus most respectable, thus with the maniest members, is the Observatoire Zététique, based in Grenoble. So they have basically the same ideology from the same guru (Broch) but make a difference by their "soft attitude".
Smaller groups and independent skeptical webmasters also exist.
The Observatoire made clear its independence to not be mistaken with the others'sectarism, and prefers to not put forward its divergence with the other groups, but all is explained in its forum.

The whole ideology of the Zététique groups is that they are not interested in the paranormal for itself, but made the choice to focus on paranormal claims (preferably the most crazy and incredible ones, or their own caricatural interpretation of them) as a toy model for a pedagogical project of teaching the scientific method to a large public. But the practical effect of doing so is a dogmatic, ideological fight against all paranormal claims across society through unserious investigations only; and their discrepancy with science is particularly manifested by their amateurist, demagogic approach of the scientific method (which one web site of a small zététique group claims to be applicable by a child) - while of course keeping the conclusion fixed by "science".

The skepticism pole of IMI's student group, whose members had to remain anonymous to avoid any sort of personal attacks, hold a blog and made a lot of contributions to many online discussions. Finally they set up a to debunk the claims of the Zététique movement.
By taking the time to review some of the many debates across forums and blog comments, it is striking how more rational and convincing (while remaining very polite and civilized) is the argumentation of these critics, as compared to the visible dogmatism, sectarism, amateurism and paranoia of the skeptics (widely discredited as such across any forum not hosted by them nor by any "officially scientific" organization).

So, the official support to the French skeptics groups and ideology is all a kind of Emperor's new clothes.

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2011-01-21T23:51:44+08:00 2011-01-21T23:51:44+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=19290#p19290 <![CDATA[Re: Science lover and free thinker]]>
I would go even farther and say that to define skeptics only by their approach to the paranormal is too confining.

I try to apply my skepticism and critical thinking skills to all aspects of my life. I use them on a daily basis in my work. I use them when making important decisions, such as buying a vehicle. I use them when reading an article in a newspaper.

In fact, it is the good results that I have gotten in evaluating these testable, mundane subjects that convinces me that skepticism & critical thinking are effective at determining the best course of action or what is most likely to be true in a given situation.

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2011-01-21T21:46:54+08:00 2011-01-21T21:46:54+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=19289#p19289 <![CDATA[Re: Science lover and free thinker]]> Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 21 Jan 2011, 21:46


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2011-01-21T21:37:01+08:00 2011-01-21T21:37:01+08:00 https://debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1601&p=19288#p19288 <![CDATA[Re: Science lover and free thinker]]> Statistics: Posted by spoirier — 21 Jan 2011, 21:37


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