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Video: James Randi Challenge Exposed - A Lawyer Explains

Postby Scepcop » 11 Oct 2010, 23:55

Lawyer Victor Zammit explains why he advises psychics and mediums to ignore James Randi's so-called $1million challenge.



To download Zammit's ebook about evidence for the Afterlife:

http://www.victorzammit.com/book/
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Re: James Randi Challenge Exposed - A Lawyer Explains

Postby Craig Browning » 12 Oct 2010, 03:23

I don't know if it was you or John Riggs that sent me to Victor on some research I've been back & forth on re: Randi and the Million Dollar Hoax (as well as his Church/"Education" Foundation). Interesting man but I think it was George Anderson that did some exposing on this issue as well as interviews with noted magicians who've had paranormal experiences and who believe strongly in the many aspects there of. As I say, there's far more to it all than mere mortals can explain away. :lol:
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Postby The_Grand_Illusion » 13 Oct 2010, 13:09

I strongly recommend Zammit's ebook, particularly for the purposes of sifting through large amounts of rational *evidence* for the "paranormal" to then take note of a claim Randi makes about Zammit: that he provides no evidence!! LOL! Randi has no shame. None. He is the archetypal gatekeeper. Anyone who applies for his "challenge" is patently insane IMO.
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Postby Scepcop » 13 Oct 2010, 16:23

You can download Victor Zammit's ebook here:

http://www.victorzammit.com/book/
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Re: Video: James Randi Challenge Exposed - A Lawyer Explains

Postby The_Grand_Illusion » 02 Nov 2010, 12:39

Dean Radin explains some of the reasons why Randi's challenge just doesn't matter:

After studying these phenomena as a scientist for about 30 years, I've concluded that some psychic abilities are genuine, and as such, there are important aspects of the prevailing scientific worldview that are seriously incomplete. I've also learned that many people who claim to have unfailingly reliable psychic abilities are often delusional or mentally ill, and that there will always be reprehensible con artists who claim to be psychic and charge huge sums for their "services." These two classes of so-called psychics are the targets of celebrated prizes offered by magicians for demonstrations of psychic abilities. Those prizes are safe because the claimed abilities of these people either do not exist at all, or they're much weaker than sincere claimants may wish to believe. There is of course a huge anecdotal literature about psychic abilities, but the evidence that convinced me is the accumulated laboratory performance by people who do not claim to possess special abilities, collected under controlled conditions and published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

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Postby derrida » 03 Nov 2010, 02:47

hahahahahaha
it always amuses me how much weight believers put on the randi challenge
they just hate the idea they cant produce just one guy that is able to humilliate randi and his challenge
JUST ONE GUY

so they start with excuses.. there´s no money, is a sham, you will never get the money.. and on and on
and they forget the whole thing is about PROVING PARANORMAL ABILITIES
you need to bash on the challenge cause you hate the idea you cant produce ONE GUY.
many people have applied
now.. on the list on applicants there´s everything.. from dowsers to loonies (not such a stretch)

just produce ONE GUY that is able to show their abilities!
oh.. that´s right.. they cant!.. cause if they go out and look for fame.. they will lose their abilities.. yeah..
(and they wonder why people laugh)

Forget about the randi challenge.. THERE´S 30 More challenges around the world
that old dude will die eventually and you will still have nobody that can do anything paranormal on command
just stories.
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Postby Arouet » 16 Nov 2010, 11:56

Thanks for the elaboration! Zammit strikes me as a rather strange lawyer with some very strange ideas about the law. He doesn't really talk like a lawyer. That said, I'm a lawyer, but in a particular field, so when I step out (in contract law for example) I don't sound as knoledgeable. Maybe he was a patents attorney or something and knows very little about the areas he's talking about here.
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Postby derrida » 16 Nov 2010, 15:15

perhaps he is a mail-university lawyer
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Postby derrida » 17 Nov 2010, 13:50

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
that was the greatest post ever!! thanks for sharing
that was soooo funny to read!
i remember hf2..

i would like to point out so we dont forget
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